Sorry I missed the question this long magpie.
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To clarify, I was suggesting people read that particualr day, in the hopes they might decide to make it a part of their daily diet. Today's show is another example. Kicks me right where I need it to remind me I aint numb. I never underestimate the phrase: love hurts, love scars.
Sorry I missed the question this long magpie.
Sorry I missed the question this long magpie.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/iraq/ar ... 70425.aspx
April 25, 2007: The call for American troops to promptly get out of Iraq raises the question of what exactly would happen if the U.S. forces did leave, say, by the end of the year. If we stay in Iraq, we delay, perhaps even prevent, the expulsion of the Sunni Arab minority (they used to be ten percent of the population, but are now down to about five percent, and are still the source of most of the terrorism.) Four years ago, the Sunni Arabs were twenty percent of the population. As the Sunni Arab population gets smaller, the terrorists have fewer places to hide. This can be seen in the plan to wall off some of the remaining Sunni Arab neighborhoods in Baghdad. Analysis of terrorist movements had shown that these neighborhoods were the sources of most of the suicide bombing attacks. By restricting road access to one carefully monitored checkpoint, car bombers would be forced to find another base of operations, and be more likely to get caught. The wall would also keep out Shia death squads, who are expected to return once the security build up in Baghdad is over, later this year. But the way Arab politics works, the wall building got stopped when the Israeli security wall was invoked. Despite the fact that the Israeli security wall stopped terror attacks, that wall, and by association all similar walls, are considered evil. You can't do it, even though the purpose of the wall was explained to Iraqi politicians, who understood and approved it, before construction began. The Sunnis would rather be dead, than not be politically correct, and the Shia agreed. The continuing suicide bomb attacks on Shia Arabs has only increased the belief among the Shia that the Sunni Arabs have to go.
If we leave, two things happen. First, the Kurds and Shia Arabs take care of the Sunni Arab terrorists the traditional Middle Eastern way. That gets very ugly, with massive civilian casualties and most of the Sunni Arab population turning into refugees. Any criticism is deflected by insisting its all about self-defense and justice for Saddams victims.
There's also the risk of a civil war between Shia Arab factions (backed by Iran and the Arab Gulf states, respectively.) The Turks will keep the Kurds in check, no matter what, although if we leave the Turks will be tempted to annex northern Iraq (and its oil fields), which used to be part of Turkey (not an imperial province), until 1919.
The Shia Arabs are now about two-thirds of the population, and they are gearing up for a real civil war. The factions backed Iran (especially the Sadr and Badr groups) are trying to take control by force. The majority of Shia Arabs want power, but they don't want a religious dictatorship. These "democratic" Shia Arabs are arming and getting more violent in their resistance to Iran-sponsored militants. More of the terrorism in Shia areas (which is a small fraction of what the Sunni Arab terrorists are creating) is directed against other Shia political groups, not foreign troops.
There's always the threat that Iran would simply invade Iraq, and install an "Islamic Republic" (religious dictatorship similar to the one in Iran). With no American troops there, what's to prevent this? The Arab Gulf States cannot stop the Iranians, although the Turks might be persuaded to. The Iranians could avoid that by making a side deal with the Turks, involving how to handle the Kurds, before going in. The Iranian government sees democratic Iraq as a threat, because most Iranians want a real democracy, and they are not getting it because of the religious dictatorship they are stuck with. The Iranian radical groups, in the form of the Quds Force, keeps the pot boiling in Shia Iraq so that Iraq does not become a base for Iranian democrats.
Meanwhile, opponents of the Iraqi operations back in the United States are getting nervous about the success of the security operations in Baghdad and its suburbs. The fact that nearly all the Sunni Arab tribes have joined the government is seen as a political disaster by many U.S. politicians who have declared Iraq a failed venture for the United States. It's a bizarre situation, and long has been. You only have to visit web sites frequented by Iraqis or American troops, to see that what is reported in most of the media about Iraq is invented, or distorted beyond all reason into an alternate reality.
Checking out what Iraqis feel, you also get the impression that everyone wants the violence to stop. Iraqis want this so bad that they are willing to give up some of their most coveted goals to have some peace (and a piece of the booming economy). Indeed, many Iraqi Sunni Arabs have long suggested that there be no terrorist violence, and that within a decade or less, the smarter and better organized Sunni Arabs would be back in charge. While in theory this plan has merit, in practice it forgets the desire for revenge among Kurds and Shia Arabs. Saddam ruled by terror for decades, and his thugs wore no masks. The terrorized Kurds and Shia knew who their tormentors were, and they want blood. This is a key reason for the continued terror attacks. Many of Saddams thugs cannot, or will not, flee the country. They have no place to go, and believe in victory, or death. Getting the Sunni Arabs back in power is out of the question, so the Sunni Arab terrorists are basically fighting to the death. One way or another, they are going to die. The only question is, how many Iraqis and Americans will they be able to take along
April 25, 2007: The call for American troops to promptly get out of Iraq raises the question of what exactly would happen if the U.S. forces did leave, say, by the end of the year. If we stay in Iraq, we delay, perhaps even prevent, the expulsion of the Sunni Arab minority (they used to be ten percent of the population, but are now down to about five percent, and are still the source of most of the terrorism.) Four years ago, the Sunni Arabs were twenty percent of the population. As the Sunni Arab population gets smaller, the terrorists have fewer places to hide. This can be seen in the plan to wall off some of the remaining Sunni Arab neighborhoods in Baghdad. Analysis of terrorist movements had shown that these neighborhoods were the sources of most of the suicide bombing attacks. By restricting road access to one carefully monitored checkpoint, car bombers would be forced to find another base of operations, and be more likely to get caught. The wall would also keep out Shia death squads, who are expected to return once the security build up in Baghdad is over, later this year. But the way Arab politics works, the wall building got stopped when the Israeli security wall was invoked. Despite the fact that the Israeli security wall stopped terror attacks, that wall, and by association all similar walls, are considered evil. You can't do it, even though the purpose of the wall was explained to Iraqi politicians, who understood and approved it, before construction began. The Sunnis would rather be dead, than not be politically correct, and the Shia agreed. The continuing suicide bomb attacks on Shia Arabs has only increased the belief among the Shia that the Sunni Arabs have to go.
If we leave, two things happen. First, the Kurds and Shia Arabs take care of the Sunni Arab terrorists the traditional Middle Eastern way. That gets very ugly, with massive civilian casualties and most of the Sunni Arab population turning into refugees. Any criticism is deflected by insisting its all about self-defense and justice for Saddams victims.
There's also the risk of a civil war between Shia Arab factions (backed by Iran and the Arab Gulf states, respectively.) The Turks will keep the Kurds in check, no matter what, although if we leave the Turks will be tempted to annex northern Iraq (and its oil fields), which used to be part of Turkey (not an imperial province), until 1919.
The Shia Arabs are now about two-thirds of the population, and they are gearing up for a real civil war. The factions backed Iran (especially the Sadr and Badr groups) are trying to take control by force. The majority of Shia Arabs want power, but they don't want a religious dictatorship. These "democratic" Shia Arabs are arming and getting more violent in their resistance to Iran-sponsored militants. More of the terrorism in Shia areas (which is a small fraction of what the Sunni Arab terrorists are creating) is directed against other Shia political groups, not foreign troops.
There's always the threat that Iran would simply invade Iraq, and install an "Islamic Republic" (religious dictatorship similar to the one in Iran). With no American troops there, what's to prevent this? The Arab Gulf States cannot stop the Iranians, although the Turks might be persuaded to. The Iranians could avoid that by making a side deal with the Turks, involving how to handle the Kurds, before going in. The Iranian government sees democratic Iraq as a threat, because most Iranians want a real democracy, and they are not getting it because of the religious dictatorship they are stuck with. The Iranian radical groups, in the form of the Quds Force, keeps the pot boiling in Shia Iraq so that Iraq does not become a base for Iranian democrats.
Meanwhile, opponents of the Iraqi operations back in the United States are getting nervous about the success of the security operations in Baghdad and its suburbs. The fact that nearly all the Sunni Arab tribes have joined the government is seen as a political disaster by many U.S. politicians who have declared Iraq a failed venture for the United States. It's a bizarre situation, and long has been. You only have to visit web sites frequented by Iraqis or American troops, to see that what is reported in most of the media about Iraq is invented, or distorted beyond all reason into an alternate reality.
Checking out what Iraqis feel, you also get the impression that everyone wants the violence to stop. Iraqis want this so bad that they are willing to give up some of their most coveted goals to have some peace (and a piece of the booming economy). Indeed, many Iraqi Sunni Arabs have long suggested that there be no terrorist violence, and that within a decade or less, the smarter and better organized Sunni Arabs would be back in charge. While in theory this plan has merit, in practice it forgets the desire for revenge among Kurds and Shia Arabs. Saddam ruled by terror for decades, and his thugs wore no masks. The terrorized Kurds and Shia knew who their tormentors were, and they want blood. This is a key reason for the continued terror attacks. Many of Saddams thugs cannot, or will not, flee the country. They have no place to go, and believe in victory, or death. Getting the Sunni Arabs back in power is out of the question, so the Sunni Arab terrorists are basically fighting to the death. One way or another, they are going to die. The only question is, how many Iraqis and Americans will they be able to take along
the wall is Evil
fact? that wall just change the tactict some. tunnels underneath it and rockets over it. WTF you can't provide freedom by limiting freedom, that just pisses people off.putty wrote: Despite the fact that the Israeli security wall stopped terror attacks
Keep Lookin' Up for Ever
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yeah the whole thing is that if we sit and let things unfold in other parts of the world we'd only be fooling ourselves and hurting those that need us for support.. See the only thing that the media chooses to focus on is the bad things that happen with war and our efforts in the middle east but not the good. Much of the effort and aid that the U.S. gives through different organizations like the peace core help tremendously to those in need. You cant let tyrants remain in power who are going to commit genocide and sit there and act ignorant like nothing is happening.headnugg wrote:That's me kinda venting my frustration, but at the same time I almost wish we would just let it happen. YOu never know, if we, and the UN and every other country that has at least one soldier over there, all just left, just vanished, what would happen? Maybe they really would blow each other up until no one and nothing was left.......maybe we should give it a shot.....
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last election the democrats put up a pretty weak candidate for presidency. I blame republicans and democrats equally, what we need is a candidate that has experience and can lead a nation but can also relate and express the views of the common americans.bitchtits wrote:BUSH SUCKS..............lets go Democrats
http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah ... y-2007.htm
At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.
At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.
congress passes the biggest health care change in 40 years, bush-brain threatens veto, again against public support.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6929181.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6929181.stm
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH